{"id":20722,"date":"2026-10-12T19:42:39","date_gmt":"2026-10-12T23:42:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/advertisingweek.com\/aw360\/?p=20722"},"modified":"2026-10-12T19:42:40","modified_gmt":"2026-10-12T23:42:40","slug":"measuring-beyond-the-first-sale-featuring-jerome-shimizu-of-abcs-insights","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/advertisingweek.com\/aw360\/news\/measuring-beyond-the-first-sale-featuring-jerome-shimizu-of-abcs-insights\/20722\/","title":{"rendered":"Measuring Beyond the First Sale Featuring Jerome Shimizu of ABCS Insights"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Welcome to Great Minds, recorded live at Advertising Week New York 2026 in the Salesforce Podcast Studio.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A razor sent as an 18th-birthday gift earned Gillette a customer for decades. That story illustrates a measurement challenge: how much of advertising\u2019s value gets missed when brands look only at the immediate sale? This conversation explores the connections between reaching an audience, building a brand, encouraging consideration, and driving purchases\u2014and why measuring those pieces together can reveal opportunities that separate reports miss.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Joining us is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/jerome-shimizu\/\">Jerome Shimizu, CEO of ABCS Insights<\/a>, whose company takes its name from the four areas it measures: Audience, Brand, Consideration, and Sales. Jerome explains how ABCS applies the same measurement methodology across 16 marketing channels so advertisers can compare results consistently. 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